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Bijou Poodles wishes to thank
Shangri-la, Palmares, Majestic and Leatherstocking Kennels for providing
the quotes and the photos for the use in this article



RED STANDARD POODLE HISTORY


(Special thanks to the Breeders who took the time to tell their Stories to Laura Turner)
All photos on this web page were provided to Laura Turner for this web page

© 2011 Laura Turner

I have no problem with people displaying or sharing information off of my web page,
as long as they provide my web page link and give "Bijou Poodles" credit for my work and efforts.
I display information is for "sharing", not for stealing.




(photo of a beautiful Shangri-la bred Red Standard Poodle)

Shangri-la and Palmares kennel are credited with creating the Red Standard Poodle in the 1980's.
A quote from Ilse M. Konig of Shangri-La kennel's web page (Permission given to use quote):
"The Red standard poodle was created by crossing
a small english apricot Standard female from Shangri-la
to an oversized red Minature male from Palmares".

Later Shangri-la and Palmares worked together doing several breedings, keeping the darkest and the larger of the pups.
Possibly the most known breeding, was the breeding of male,
"Follow The Sun Von Shangri-La" (apricot) x "Pamares Spice for Shangri-La" (red).
From there they kept pups and bred back and forth together to establish and correct size and proportions.
(Breeding a Miniature to Standard Poodle is acceptable and able to be registered within AKC).


PALMARES KENNEL


(2010 - Janet Blannin her red Standard "Ginger" and her toy "Canella")

Janet Blannin from Palmares Kennels is still breeding red Standard & Toy Poodles
as well as Chinese Cresteds, with the help of her son Robert Blannin.
As of 2010 they do not have a web page.
Update: in 2013 Sheryl Bleich (formerly Sheroc Kennels) took over Palmares
and will be continuing a red Standard Poodle program under the Palmares name.


SHANGRI-LA KENNEL


(Ilse Kong and Poodle "Bagel")

Ilse Kong of Shangri-la kennel passed away on October 10, 2005.
Up until that point in time, Shangri-la was in Catskill NY.
In 2005 Melissa Muldery inherited Shangri-la dogs and moved to her home in East Greenbush
and continued with the Shangri-la kennel name breeding the colors Ilse always did
of brown, apricot, red, black and silver. While Melissa has not entered into the "multi color" world
in terms of breeding, she did have a red sable phantom produced from all solid lines.
His official name is Shangri-la's Let The Rumors Fly aka "Flier".
Melissa has kept the original Shangri-la website as is so that anyone interested in Ilse,
or her contribution to the production of the red standard poodle, may read it as told by herself.
At some point, Melissa says she will update the Shangri-la Web Page, but has not had the heart to change it as of yet.


MAJESTIC KENNEL


(Al and Joan Mistkowski)

Joan Mistkowski of Majestic Poodles started with Shangri-la's reds in the 1980's.
Majestic kennel in Florida continued to perfect and concentrate on the Red Standard Poodle,
perfecting the Red Color, as other kennels infused other lines and other colors.
Majestic Kennel has created some of the most stunning reds in existance known today.
Joan Carol Mistkowski passed away in 2009.


(Suanne Brennen)

Joan's daughter, Sueann Brennan, attempted unsuccessfully to run Majestic kennel
for a year, before she too passed away on November 10, 2009.
~ All Joan's Poodles were rescued by
Florida Poodle Rescue because of their deplorable condition and
~ ALL rescued Majestic Poodles, were spayed or neutered, ending Joan's breeding program ~
Joan's grandson inherited the property in 2011, claiming to have 6 of Sueanne's Poodles
and says that through in-breeding, son to mother, they have been trying to resurrect the line



MINARETS KENNEL

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("Minarets Enrico Dorado RE"        "unknown red in 2009")
From Esther's web page:
Minarets started out in 1968 with a German Shepherd Dog.
We showed the shepherds in obedience and loved them dearly.
Then I discovered the standard poodle.
Minarets poodles started with a black bitch named Minarets Charca Negra CD.
Looking for help learning to show, I met Janet from Palmares.
She was beginning her breedings to bring the red color into the standards.
My first breeding was to her Palmares Ponceau de Croix.
Over the years Janet became a dear friend who travels with me to shows and on fun trips.
There have been multiple inter-breedings between my dogs and Janet's.
I have had poodles in most of the colors but the ones I really love are the reds and apricots.
Esther Underkofler
Minrets Poodles


LEATHERSTOCKING KENNEL

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(Leatherstocking's Red Kismet and Barbara) ....................................... (Laura, Leatherstocking's Red Kismet and Stratford)

Although Leatherstocking kennel has not had as historical impact as other established Red Poodle Kennels
I feel that I have to include them here because their kennel name appears in many red pedigrees today and people are always asking who they are.

Leatherstocking Kennel Breeders Barbara and Stratford Deitch were known in show circles independently,
for their famous show dogs, whose show win photos with Stratford handling, line the walls inside their home.
Barbara was best known for her Collies, Pyrenese and Bernese which were shown and did winning at
Westminster and Stratford and his brother Harold, for their famous Saint Benards under "Dolomount" kennel since 1937.
Dolomount Saints were featured in many print ads such as Hennesy Cognac, Maidenform Bra
and they had over 65 AKC champions. Dolomount Saints were also showing and winning breed at
Westminster, 25 years in a row and were featured in the Westminster Show Catalogue in 1965.

Stratford and Barbara strangely enough met when they were teenagers, where Barbara was working at a Candy counter,
where Stratford came in to satisfy his sweet tooth for Jube Jube's. Barbara and Stratford were married on August 26, 1949.
In 1972 the Deitch's moved moved to Upstate NY and Harold and Stratford Deitch separated their kennel,
with Stratford starting his own line of St. Bernards. Most notable "Cashe Retreat Tobias"
who won Breed in 1990 at the Westminster Dog show.


Barbara and Stratford started breeding Standard Poodles together in 1970 under the Canicula prefix .
Barbara's first standard poodle was a brown from Mrs. Browning of Tokalon Kennels who was an AKC Judge and breeder.
In 1975 at 53 years of age, Stratford bought a 200 year old farmhouse and transformed it into Barbara's dream home and kennel
~ Tara ~ from the "Gone with the Wind" movie fame and this is where Leatherstocking Kennel still is.
Barbara and Stratford started the Leatherstocking Kennel together and had the help of their son Howard until he passed away in 2009.
The Leatherstocking name is because of the region in which they live and from the military uniforms worn.
Later Barbara received a red Standard named "Kismet" (carrying Palmare and Shangri-la lines) as a 25 year anniversary present.
By breeding him to their red girls that they kept, they obtained red, apricot and blacks pups.
Barbara later bought a deep dark red male from Majestic Kennels breeding and named him "Crackerjack".
By breeding Crackerjack to the red girls they had kept, they produced deep dark red pups and the Leatherstocking reds lines were created.
In 2011 Barbara and Stratford, now in their late 80's, are still breeding Standard Poodles though scaled down, still passing AKC inspections.
UPDATE: 2013 Leatherstocking is no longer producing Poodles




HISTORY OF SHOWING REDS


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(GrCh Bijou's Ooh la la (#4 Poodle 2011) ............... and .............. GrCh Bijou's Dare to be Different (#9 Poodle 2011)

People also have to realise that the first AKC Red Standard Poodle Championed in 1998.
From 1887-2013 (in 126 years !!) there have only been 7 AKC Champion Red Standard Poodles.
The first UKC Red Championed in 2000.
Reds were first accepted for showing in FCI in 2004.
The second UKC Red Standard Poodle Grand Championed in 2011
(Grand Champion, "Bijou's Red Razzberry of Majestic" CA, CAX, CAT, UWP, UWPCH, WPT1, AKC RN, CGC, URO1, URO2, URO3
So considering Standard Poodles have been recognized by AKC since 1887 and United Kennel Club in 1914
you can see that it has been an up hill battle to perfect the red colour and to win in the show ring with a red.
Click here to read more about Showing Red Standard Poodles



Blossom, Dare, Ula
UKC Grand Champions - Dark Red Females
Bijou Poodle's next generation of Red Standard Poodles in 2012
created using Leatherstocking reds to Palmares and Majestic Lines and lots of love



In My Opinion


In 2013 there are maybe only around 5 breeders in the ENTIRE WORLD,
producing real deep dark Red Standard Poodle puppies that mature to retain dark red colour.
Those breeder's red poodles go back to original Majestic and Palmares.
Deep, Dark Red that holds it's colour is VERY VERY rare to find and especially to produce.
Although there is a great many breeders producing dark apricot, light red or even on ocassion, medium red.
Of course very few breeders have photos or videos of their reds beyond 1 year of age so it is
even more difficult to track which red Poodles are dominate red and which are not, because of this.

As of 2013 Red Breeders know that a red pedigree must contain original Majestic and original Palmares lines
to give the red Standard Poodle, prepotency, longevity and intensity of the deep dark red coat.
That is because those lines have concentrated on breeding "red to red" for generations, to solidify the colour.
As a result, red breeders have strived to acquire Red Poodles with those lines for their programs.


However finding Majestic (original), Palmares bred standard Poodles with solid red lines is near impossible as of 2010,
as a lot of show breeders, have infused black (carrying dilutes) or apricot (a recessive of red) feeling that doing so would
improve show type and size and pigmentation and along the way, loosing the deep dark red colour gene because
they did not understand that it is genetically impossible to breed two dilutes together to obtain a dominate colour like Red,
so they end up getting apricots, light reds and blacks and wondering how to get that dark red gene that they lost.
(Click here to read more about colour Breeding)

Because very few breeders have concentrated on perfecting and maintaining the Deep Dark Red gene,
dark red standard poodles will usually have a 10 generation COI of 6% or greater.
There just is not enough "real" dominate Red Standard Poodles available to have great diversity in colour yet.
If you find what appears to be a dark red standard poodle and it has less than 6% COI
chances are the puppy will fade out to appear white or cream with reddish ears or a very light red colour by 1-2 years of age.

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Bijou Poodles is dedicated to sharing our red Poodle progress and we will always update each of our individual Poodle's
page yearly with properly "STACKED" photos, with new videos and or photos monthly, including our retired Poodles
so we can track our progress in accomplishing producing dominate reds that will hold their colour and produce their colour.
As of 2014 we are the only red breeders in the world offering such data collection and information sharing.
.

In 2009 a small group of educated Red Breeders are maintaining Conformation, Health and Temperament
and are focused on keeping and producing the deep dark red colour and to increase the red gene pool and quality of reds.
These dedicated Red Breeders are completing all of their OFA Health Testing, DNA testing
and some breeders are also accomplishing Conformation and or Performance or Obedience ~Titles~ on their reds in AKC, CKC and UKC.
Bijou Standard Poodles is accomplishing ALL the above on each of our Poodles and in each venue to prove without a doubt
we have and we produce TOTAL Poodles.

Hopefully the vision and goals, of what Shangri-la, Palmares and of course Majestic kennels,
all worked so hard to achieve, will continue and even be improved upon.

~ Laura Turner of Bijou Standard Poodles ~


Common Red Questions Answered



1. Red is NOT a designer colour, "mixed breeds or mutts" are coined designer because they were designed by disreputable breeders
by, mixing two purebreds together for the purpose of providing latest trend of pets, for a quick dollar,
regardless of health, temperament or ability to find appropriate homes. Merle coloured Poodles are also "designer"
because they used a different breeds crossed with a Poodle, to introduce this colour that is not natural in Poodles
and comes with all the health associated problems, that those breeds and color bring into the mix. Designer denotes "creation" or “mutation”
red is a colour that has always existed in the Poodle breed.

2. Red is not a recessive. Red is a dominate.
Common colours like apricot and cream ARE dilutes of Red, or are recessives to Red because they only have one copy of the red gene.
Black is dominate to all colours and can carry the red gene as well as all other colours.

3. Two recessives can not produce a Red. This means apricot x apricot can not produce a red.
Reds do not fade to a different colour when they mature.

4. Red is very common colour in toy Poodles, less so in Standard size.
Red in the "Standard Poodle" is rarer because only a handful breeders in the world, were dedicated to cultivating this colour
over the years, by only breeding red to red. Breeding and perfecting red in toy program, is a bit easier, in the regard that they have small litters.
So less pups to place, that didn't turn out ideal for a red breeding program.

5. By around 2004 breeders accomplished the dominate dark red standard Poodles very consistently.
Through the dedication of certain red breeders, I was able to obtain dominate dark reds and then start doing all the health clearances
that were not done and eliminating those Poodles that didn't pass all 11 health clearances. I repeat ALL health tests.

6. All Breeders all have different goals. Including red breeders.
My next goal in my red breeding program, I wanted to improve conformation and increase size.
Reds were still very small in size because of the toy and miniatures bred to standards in the development of the Red standard Poodle.
Luckily Temperament on the Reds, I obtained, were exceptionally loving and sweet which I was most thankful for
as was one less feature that I had to improve or work towards.

7. 2013 more breeders are importing dark apricots and light reds from Europe.
They are bringing in dilutes to use with their red programs. Not only is this going to introduce more
recessives, loosing the red gene in their programs but also importing Poodles with some serious structural faults
such as poor fronts, weak pasterns, sickle hocked, paper feet, over angulation and gay tails.
Unfortunately these faults are perpetuated in Europe as exaggerated features on their show Poodles
and unfortunately this is going to contaminate the reds and apricot programs in North America.
These Poodles will not be able to function in working homes because of their weaknesses.
These breeders will now have to fix structure, red colour and have also reduced the red gene pool, as a result.




As of 2014 Bijou Standard Poodles are the only red breeders in the entire world
that have had each of our reds completing every OFA and DNA health clearance
including the first red standard Poodles to achieve CHIC recognition, along with all our reds having conformation titles
with not only getting their titles but, Best in Show wins, Group wins and Top Ten Standard Poodle world placements
(proving our reds are of superior physical quality), having all our reds also have a Performance Title but not only just a performance title
but being the firsts reds to receive some of these titles, as well as top 4 placements in all our dog sports
(proving our reds have ability, superior intelligence and desire to please), and all our red Poodles having obedience titles
proving without a doubt that our Poodles are amazing, willing working partners and not only achieving titles
but achieving high in trials and 1st-4th class placements. And of course we are one of only a handful of breeders in the world
that have "real" reds including the darkest of reds found in the world.



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Obedience
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Lure Coursing                                                                Conformation
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Canine Good Citizen (CGC)


We don't just "say" we have Total Dogs
we have the UKC TOTAL DOG AWARDS to prove it !!




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